17th April - The All Wales Learning Platform - How can we ensure that we get what we want and not what they think we want?

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wjputt: #addcym It is overwhelmingly the all Wales platform. Still time to vote though - http://is.gd/GEYlsN (expand)
addcym: #addcym #addcym It is overwhelmingly the all Wales platform. Still time to vote though - http://is.gd/GEYlsN (expand)
addcym: #addcym The All Wales Learning Platform - How can we ensure that we get what we want and not what they think we want? [ 73% (8 votes) ]
wjputt: #addcym The All Wales Learning Platform - How can we ensure that we get what we want and not what they think we want? [ 73% (8 votes) ]
wjputt: #addcym remember to add the # at the start of your tweet this evening.
addcym: #addcym #addcym remember to add the # at the start of your tweet this evening.
karenf59: @wjputt #addcym we have to make sure we all know what we mean by learning platform first
wjputt: #addcym Next week's topics are on the wiki http://is.gd/oFNUG0 (expand) Pls suggest others & add to wiki.
addcym: #addcym @karenf59 @wjputt & also who we are & who they are.
addcym: #addcym @karenf59 @wjputt It might come out in the discussion.
addcym: #addcym Next week's topics are on the wiki http://is.gd/oFNUG0 (expand) Pls suggest others & add to wiki.
wjputt: #addcym Twittelator pro or tweetdeck tonight?
davestacey: #addcym ahead of the discussion, does anyone know if there has been anything published about intentions from WAG, or is this all hearsay?
cerirwilliams: RT @addcym: #addcym #addcym remember to add the # at the start of your tweet this evening. #addcym
cerirwilliams: @wjputt #addcym whats the difference between twit pro and tweetdeck?
wjputt: #addcym will be tweeting from @addcym tonight.
wjputt: #addcym change of plan tweeting from here now.
wjputt: #addcym @ngflblount @davestacey does that mean 0.7 million for 5 months?
davestacey: So, in http://bit.ly/hfSRn8 (expand) WAG talk of a "a nationally coordinated approach to learning platforms." #addcym
davestacey: I guess the question for us, is what would we like to see help us in the classroom, and what do we think they should avoid? #addcym
wjputt: #addcym What is a learning platform?
davestacey: Anyone familiar with #glow around for the next few mins? #addcym discussing national approach to LPs in Wales. We'd love your views!
wjputt: #addcym For me learning platform is the web & then it is all the Web 2.0 stuff & that will change too.
wjputt: #addcym @davestacey don't know much about #glow it is Scottish is it not?
davestacey: @wjputt I suspect they mean something like Moodle / Kaleidos / Frog etc - a specfic platform that can be be branded, with user accts #addcym
davestacey: @wjputt Yeah. Will try and find a link. Hang on... #addcym #glow
wjputt: #addcym learning platform - that could even be a classroom.
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey ex actly - whatever that strategy is has to help raise standards in Wales - what do u think would aid that?
cerirwilliams: @olliebray @esoldaveglasgow @CPDScotsman I know are all (I think) in #glow #addcym
ngflblount: #addcym @wjputt Flintshire has a learning Platform in the form of Moodle
carolinebreyley: @davestacey #glow #addcym I'm a glow user and mainly a fan. Has got much better in last year now we use as gateway to other things
wjputt: RT @ngflblount #addcym @wjputt Flintshire has a learning Platform in the form of Moodle Not an overarching success.
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey @wjputt an approach doesnt neccesarily mean they are looking for one size fits all - many LEAs already have LP in place
karenf59: @wjputt #addcym to me it is a place where a mix of tools can be found that enable learning to take place
davestacey: #addcym - Information about #Glow here - http://bit.ly/g2H8UP (expand). If I remember correctly it's provided by RM (version of Kaleidos).
wjputt: #addcym so #glow is a success. Is it as complicated as moodle? what is the cost?
davestacey: @carolinebreyley Interested in your comment about 'gateway'. What kind of things have you got behind the fate #glow #addcym
karenf59: #addcym there is a need to first determine that a learning platform may not be just a learning environment such as Moodle or similar
Catriona_O: @wjputt @davestacey #addcym glow is free to all users - policy analysis here:http://scr.bi/fpuyqz
davestacey: @wjputt We've got Moodle at school levels in Swansea, but @matt_knott is also doing wonders joining things together with sharepoint #addcym
cerirwilliams: #addcym, how many teachers/ pupils are using Moodle in your area?
ngflblount: #addcym @wjputt collaboration between LAs across NWales is huge success - some gr8 resources created
hrogerson: #addcym You need to be careful on "getting into bed" with a company for the platform - what happens to all the resources if you fall out?
wjputt: #addcym Surely the whole web is the learning platform & its myriad Web 2.0 tools are part of that. A case of using what is best at time.
carolinebreyley: @davestacey #addcym Yes RM. Now using Adobe connect, have glowwikis and glowblogs built on Wordpress. Some central provided resources
davestacey: @ngflblount We've got great resources too, but I'm not convinced it's had a massive impact in classroom. #addcym
wjputt: RT @ngflblount #addcym @wjputt collaboration between LAs across NWales is huge success - some gr8 resources created I need to learn more
ngflblount: #addcym @hrogerson dont think 1platform necessarily what theyr looking at - assembly statement is 'all wales approach to learning platforms'
wjputt: #addcym RT @bevevans22 @karenf59 It could be anything in theory I suppose. @simonhaughton has recently been bloggin... http://tl.gd/9tid4g
ngflblount: #addcym @wjputt U not seen NWales consortium LP resources? Will email u link
carolinebreyley: @davestacey #addcym Use glow login to get to blogs etc Shibboleth is the word I think - not a techie. Links with our SMS too.
wjputt: #addcym We are using Edmodo with #addcym & at school with Y11. Are we making the most of it?
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey agree - best resources in world wont raise standards in hands of poor teacher - need sharing of GP as well as resources
davestacey: #addcym My fear is that we've spent millions of pounds on IWBs / LPs etc in last ten yrs, many teachers still teach same way. 1/2
wjputt: #addcym @ngflblount @hrogerson So a combination of things #glow seems to have that.
wjputt: #addcym Learners need to learn to use a range of web tools especially Web 2.0 as that is the big interactive learning bit!
ngflblount: #addcym @wjputt think this is gonna be more about how 2 share GP in 1 central place - many teachers not got time or inclination 2 search web
wjputt: #addcym @ngflblount I'd appreciate that.
davestacey: #addcym - Do we need to think about kind of teaching we want and provide tech to facilitate that? (Think that was thinking behind Glow)
wjputt: RT @davestacey: #addcym My fear is that we've spent millions of pounds on IWBs / LPs etc in last ten yrs, many teachers still teach same way. 1/2
matt_knott: @wjputt just nosing, but the web needs structure and context for it to be relevant in learning (in my opinion, but I don't teach) #addcym
davestacey: #addcym - Where's our Curriculum for Excellence?!?!
carolinebreyley: @davestacey #addcym Hard work in our LA to get people using #Glow even to access free resources. Just about to give access to parents at sch
wjputt: #addcym @davestacey Indeed - in reality it is about the pedagogy & the understanding of cognition allied with a deep interest in learners.
ngflblount: #addcym @wjputt dim problem will sort later
wjputt: RT @davestacey #addcym - Do we need to think about kind of teaching we want and provide tech to facilitate that? (T... http://tl.gd/9tieb2
cerirwilliams: so Sharepoint, moodle, edmodo, adobe connect, glowikis, glowblogs...if real cnxions are to happen they must be streamlined/channeld #addcym
davestacey: #addcym Glad to hear it's coordination rather than replacement. Like @bevevans22 we've learned lots as we've improved. Mustn't waste that.
wjputt: #addcym For me it is about continuous professional learning & this must happen in a blended way but use if web 2.0 pretty key really.
matt_knott: @cerirwilliams in Swansea we're working hard on integration. SharePoint at the core links to twitter, Moodle, Google Apps #addcym
davestacey: @matt_knott But without people like you who get it and make things happen we can't build the learning on top #addcym
ngflblount: #addcym @cerirwilliams think 'strategy' needs to be how to get all of the LP across Wales talking to each other & sharing resources/GP...
davestacey: @ngflblount Probably more important to get all the parts within each area talking to each other first! #addcym
davestacey: @ngflblount Also need to make sure resources are open platform (ppt etc) rather than Flash to allow editing / local adjustments #addcym
cerirwilliams: @bevevans22 I agree that more people need to be accessing it, whatever the platform, it will 'get shared' eventually, like on here #addcym
wjputt: #addcym @bevevans22 Agree - tools need sifting but learners can help with that process too.
cerirwilliams: look at how many more are here (welcome newbies) after a few weeks #addcym, 25% increase?
wjputt: #addcym @bevevans22 @cerirwilliams Seen share point used to v good effect at Monkseaton n Tyneside.
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey like any other type of sharing there will probably always b areas that dont get involved - how we reach them I dont know
wjputt: #addcym @ngflblount @cerirwilliams It is probably the key. A central pedagogical learning platform for all teachers/educators.
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey We are working on bank of tools in Flash that can be edited and saved by teacher - available behind registration soon!
cerirwilliams: @bevevans22 u on about Sharepoint? #addcym I find Skydrive very unwieldy tbh
davestacey: @ngflblount Do we need an element of stick? We've had use of ICT as Perf Mgt objective for last 2 yrs. Overcomes the 'too busy' prob #addcym
wjputt: #addcym @digitalmaverick Never found it that intuitive.
davestacey: Prob thing with biggest impact for us was adding Google Apps for Ed. Email address for everyone. Built up from there #addcym
wjputt: #addcym @davestacey @ngflblount We all need to promote this & other stuff at TeachMeets on training days etc..
wjputt: #addcym @geraldhaigh1 It is intergenerational learning. That is a good thing.
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey think if LA platforms become central hub 4all info teachers will have to use - but how many will 'share' another matter
ngflblount: #addcym how many time we heard teachers work in silos - LA/National sharing of GP got 2b good thing.
wjputt: #addcym In Wales is the problem too many local authorities? And therefore a myriad of systems or interpretations of systems?
cerirwilliams: what about a skills set that teachers & kids can learn together), not 'to be able to turn the pc on' a la NOF ? #addcym eg googleapps
wjputt: RT @ngflblount #addcym how many time we heard teachers work in silos - LA/National sharing of GP got 2b good thing. Absolutely.
ianaddison: @wjputt #addcym my learning platform is based on Google apps and is known as 'the Google cloud thingy'
davestacey: @ngflblount Not sure not sharing is end of the world to start with. Better that teachers interact with students online? #addcym
wjputt: #addcym RT @ianaddison @wjputt #addcym my learning platform is based on Google apps and is known as 'the Google cloud thingy'
cerirwilliams: In Liverpool, 1 ed authority, in wales , tons, #addcym, can't remember numbers but it daft comparison
ianaddison: #addcym I spent 2years as a vle consultant, many schools signed up to 'tick a box' in my opinion, little thought on learning from some
wjputt: RT @cerirwilliams In Liverpool, 1 ed authority, in wales , tons, #addcym, can't remember numbers but it daft comparison 22 LAs!
cerirwilliams: RT @ianaddison: @wjputt #addcym my learning platform is based on Google apps and is known as 'the Google cloud thingy'<< great name
ngflblount: #addcym @wjputt that's why strategy has to come up with a plan to bring all the pieces together
davestacey: Sure I read that number of LAs was something that was being considered. That said, local level has seen great innovation eg Swansea #addcym
wjputt: #addcym @bevevans22 @davestacey @ngflblount What about the cynics though? Would they destroy it or nit get on board?
wjputt: #addcym RT @ngflblount #addcym @wjputt that's why strategy has to come up with a plan to bring all the pieces together. Teachers 1st.
karenf59: #addcym think of the benefits of one central place where all teachers have to put all their teaching & learning tools everyone has access to
cerirwilliams: I still think as disparate and unconnected all our tools might seem to be, twitter will bring it together #addcym
ngflblount: #addcym @wjputt @ianaddison dont think a 'platform' can raise standars - just a place 2stick stuff - needs 2b strategy 4raising standards
davestacey: @wjputt We mustn't let them destroy it. Why education is better than force #addcym
ianaddison: #addcym shared LA-wide learning platform is fine for most ppl but not others. Remember,those on Twitter already moving towards expert level
wjputt: #addcym All Wales VLE is an All Wales PLN to start with. Pedagogy up front. Use if twitter etc & continuous dialogue & learning.
davestacey: @karenf59 But people plan / resource in very different ways. Giving me someone elses filing cabinet doesn't make me a better teacher #addcym
karenf59: #addcym in my experience most VLEs are glorified repositories and not used effectively for learning
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey didnt Leighton Andrews say that all LAs have to consider consotium approach?
ianaddison: #addcym platform only works if strategy is in place,leadership are behind it and good ideas are shared
wjputt: #addcym Just heard the Wedding Present on Monroe. Cool. Multitasking man??
wjputt: #addcym RT @ngflblount #addcym @davestacey didnt Leighton Andrews say that all LAs have to consider consotium approach? Yes on the cards.
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey @karenf59 Agree totally! Need to share GP ideas rather than swap PPTs word files etc
wjputt: RT @ngflblount #addcym @davestacey @karenf59 Agree totally! Need to share GP ideas rather than swap PPTs word files etc Absolutely.
ngflblount: #addcym @wjputt that's the second time Ive known you multitask - you must be intouch with your feminine side ;)
wjputt: #addcym Thoughts for next week. Please add to wiki & I'll set up a poll on twtpoll.
wjputt: #addcym Great chat tonight. Bringing it back to pedagogy & professional learning. And then the sharing. Face to face & Web2.0 stuff.
ianaddison: #addcym agree re shared ppts, that's why I made loads of 'interesting ways' for our vle. I tried to show ways it could be used
davestacey: Great chat this evening. One to keep an eye on post election. Need to lobby to make sure our voices are heard in this #addcym
cerirwilliams: RT @ianaddison: #addcym platform only works if strategy is in place,leadership are behind it and good ideas are shared<<6.5.11 will help
ngflblount: #addcym @wjputt thanks for moderating again John - You're a trooper! You can treat yourself with a glass of red now - no school tomorrow!
karenf59: #addcym surely if the learning platform provides a space for all 'stuff' GP etc it has to be of benefit,the key is the opportunity to choose
wjputt: RT @davestacey: Great chat this evening. One to keep an eye on post election. Need to lobby to make sure our voices are heard in this #addcym
cerirwilliams: #addcym, best yet, from little acorns...
ngflblount: #addcym @ianaddison do you still have those Ian? would love to see them!
wjputt: RT @cerirwilliams: RT @ianaddison: #addcym platform only works if strategy is in place,leadership are behind it and good ideas are shared<<6.5.11 will help
wjputt: #addcym RT @ngflblount #addcym @wjputt thanks for moderating again John - You're a trooper! You can treat yourself ... http://tl.gd/9tim9s
davestacey: @wjputt What's the plan for the 6th? Is there still talk of a curry? #addcym
primarypete_: @cerirwilliams bit slow on uptake of this one... #addcym?
wjputt: #addcym Will try to harness tweets tomorrow & put on wiki. More success than last week.
wjputt: RT @sh1916 Sorry I missed #addcym tonight.We'll let you off but you were missed.
cerirwilliams: @primarypete_ addysg< learn cymraeg< Welsh, so #addcym is a welsh #edchatuk type of thing
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey @wjputt meeting finishes at 3pm - dunno if curry is still on - are we going for 1 John?
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey how u streaming ur TM Dave? Is Alessio coming to help?
wjputt: #addcym @primarypete_ @cerirwilliams A forum on education [addysg] in Wales [Cymru] hence #addcym Not exclusive though all welcome.
cerirwilliams: @ngflblount I can do streaming if @asober can't make it (will have zappy new lappy by then too) #addcym #tmswan
wjputt: #addcym Nos da pawb. Good night all.
ngflblount: #addcym @cerirwilliams @asober @davestacey r u using livestream or ustream? We can give u access 2 our livestream account if u need it
cerirwilliams: @ngflblount #addcym, I've got a ustream for the jazz I broadcast, and a livestream acc. too but whatever works on the night is best
ngflblount: #addcym @davestacey if he's not available Ceri can use our Livestream - as we have a full licence which means more people can watch online
cerirwilliams: @ngflblount no prob, twitter backchannel can be sorted too etc etc #addcym
matt_knott: As someone who works in education but isn't a teacher I find these threads v. useful and insightful. Maybe I can offer a tech angle #addcym
FatRascal: @karenf59 http://is.gd/sVHTsw (expand) + http://is.gd/hEz6a5 (expand) #addcym
cerirwilliams: @matt_knott #addcym fill your boots Matt and offer away